Problem, selfish torrent download

Interestingly, if bittorrent clients start "cheating", ISPs will be happier, and you will see less throttling. Tit-for-tat has been proven as a highly effective strategy in games resembling the iterated prisoner's dilemna, but it can be defeated when a large enough group of of agents cooperate" Indeed. To put things in a practical way for bittorrent, it is possible to make a client that 'cheats' by favoring other people using the same client, thus forming a cooperative group, that if large enough can have a lot of impact mainly in con.

Not so selfish. They didn't create a client that is "selfish" by trying to avoid uploading. They created a client that is selfish by first allocating more upload capacity to other clients that will send them more when they upload more, and only allocate the remaining upload capacity to clients where benefits from increased uploading are not certain.

If you read their paper, they regularly bring up the effects of this on the entire network and they don't know if it's good, bad, or has any effect on the network and not for a lack of trying. Otherwise, it should result in more effici. I think it will be good. I'm on a very fast connection, and I try to avoid handing data during the first rush to slow peers, that is, if you don't serve me at a reasonable speed I will block you off until I got the full package and then it is free for all.

I'm surprised it took this long. Or is it just that we're only hearing about it now, but such clients have existed for ages? By the way, am I right in thinking good behavior can never be enforced in peer to peer systems? This isn't necessarily bad behavior.

It is distinctly uneven, but not necessarily bad. If the tracker has a lot of people who seed more than they download, then a few people using this client will help increase the total number of seeders, meaning that there are more people capable of providing a specific portion of the torrent, which should allow for maximum download speeds for whoever is left.

If the tracker has a lot of people who seed less than they download, it means that there will be more load on the. Even better This is especially valuable in countries that define copyright violation to be the uploading of content. Re:Even better Or just being a leech you mean. How's the air all the way up on top of your high horse?

Of course, the downside is that you won't get many packets from anyone using this new BitTyrant client as it prioritizes outgoing packets to those computers it receives from. So i suppose you make a legality tradeoff for speed. Nothing to worry about here The anti-leech technology of the bittorrent protocol remains effective. Those ranting about this just haven't bothered to read This client despite the unfortunate name is just smarter about how to use upload bandwidth, in an async world.

They, presumably, can then serve up more data to others than a low-speed peer reasonably could. Instead of being the end of bittorrent, this could really improve the health of the P2P network, increasing speeds and decreasing download times for everyone not only those using this program.

It seems like this is just a scheme to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Re:Nothing to worry about here I am tempted to use this client, but I am puzzled. Did they fork Azureus? I would have thought this could simply be run as a plugin. The things they are doing here with BitTyrant are things I have tried to effect manually by tweaking Azureus, but without the automatic dynamic response.

Re: Score: 2 , Insightful. Actually, since this client would tend to trickle data more slowly to people who have poor upload rates, it would hurt leeches who don't upload at all. The overall effect will be to make like more difficult for leeches, while making sure people who can spool out content faster get complete copies to spool out faster.

I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how this is a bad thing in any way. A welcome feature Score: 2. It would be a welcome feature to be able to tune my uploads so that I don't kill my connection when downloading over bittorrent. I have a very low upload cap, around 15 KBPS, and when it gets maxed, I'd like to be able to limit the connection just a little, to leave room for ACK packets. That sort of behavior really seems to belong in the OS or at the firewall, but that upload rate sounds awful.

Are you using GPRS for torrenting? I'm using low-speed cable. It 1 Mbit, which gives fast enough download, but slow upload. I don't really send out a lot of data, so it's not much of a problem. Most cable providers I know of cap even the high speed access to 40 or 50 KBPS notice the capital B , because they don't want people using their home computers as servers. Use bittornado, I've used it for over a year and possibly two now. I use the official bittorent client, bittorrent-curses.

And it does contain the problem I speak of. It also happens with bittorrent-console. Try to give it a spin Score: 5 , Funny. I'd love to give it a spin, but at 2kbs download for the client installer I'll be here all night.

Maybe I can find a torrent for it for a faster download Ironically enough Score: 2. I'm downloading the OSX version right now and the progress is so slow. Surely they should have torrented the thing??? No one know of a torrent for it? Slashdotted I presume so I'll wait. Yall quit whining Score: 2. I have it installed, and I'm currently downloading Full T1 at 50k and uploading at 60k I'd say that's more than fair.

This does seem to go up and down more than bitcomet though. Maybe this one just averages the xfer rate a lot more often, not producing nearly as smooth of an average as BC. So basically This doesn't threaten the bittorrent protocol any more than having better cars threaten the road system. Trying it out now Score: 4 , Informative. Gotta say, these speeds are really impressive. Azureus 2. I use a private torrent network, so I'll have to make up for the ratio afterwards; but still, it's great to get things so quickly.

Emule has a system like this, and it basically slows everything down in the name of fair sharing. It takes absolutely forever to start downloads, since you're stuck in a vicious "chicken and egg" circle of "I can't upload anything to download" and "I can't download anything to upload". As it stands, Bittorrent is how the Edonkey protocol used to be before ratio systems were added to the clients; Fast.

After Edonkey started adding anti-leech systems to the clients, the speed went into the toilet, and the queues started skyrocketing. I suspect that if this catches on, you can kiss kb's downloads goodbye. Trying out now Score: 2 , Informative. It does not seem to be really faster, but I notice that my upload speed is at 0 a lot of the time, when with the regular Azureus my upload speed was about always maxed out. It runns just since a few hours, so don't take my comment to serious.

BitTorrent is already based on selfishness. In fact, that's why it works so well, because peers tend to seek out "partners", other peers which can trade high bandwidth with each other.

A prioritization algorithm which is more intelligently selfish can only participate better in the bandwidth market and thereby actually improve BitTorrent's performance. Comment removed Score: 5 , Insightful. Comment removed based on user account deletion. Re:Well, uhm. Score: 4 , Insightful. I didn't even have to RTFA to figure that out yay me, right?

AFAIK, most people who could would dediate a serious amount of bandwidth to downloading content quickly would be likely to dedicate a serious slice to uploading, therefore enriching the available bandwith for everyone.

Re: Score: 3 , Informative. I dunno. Seems to me that with ADSL and particularly cable connections here in the UK, downstream bandwidth has gone up and up while upstream hasn't changed so much. If you bothered to RTFA, you'd realise selfish!

That's what Gordon Gecko said. Score: 5 , Informative. From the 'article' really just a brief overview , it's clear that it will generally at present improve performance for the BitTyrant user; it will also statistically improve performance for any peer with substantial spare upload capacity, regardless of client used.

It probably will initially hurt performance for users with saturated upload capacity who cannot contribute any more to the swarm than they are at present. It's not at all clear that this is a bad thing, even if everyone switched to BTyrant. A lot could come down to the social behavior of Tyrant users once they become seeders, for example. For those who say "well a tyrant user may not even seed to 1.

Too easy. It's not very viable solution. Re: Score: 3 , Insightful. Re: Score: 2 , Informative. No offense, but that can be spoofed quite easily. Make it say BitTorrent, uTorrent, or Azureus and then what? As the co-founder of Azureus this has always been a problem and threat to the BT protocol. The best clients can do is make sure packets are being spread once they're sent to another person.

Once a user has selected a file for download it will appear in Portable uTorrent main dashboard. This is when the download client, for example, uTorrent itself, starts the process of re-uploading the file back to the file-sharing platform. This ensures that the next user will be able to download the file.

Leaving the file to seed will see the file uploaded again and again. In the torrent community seeding is perceived as correct etiquette, the argument being the original uploader has gone to the trouble to acquire the file, therefore, every downloader has a duty to re-upload to keep the file active and available for all.

This is seen as a selfish act and considered damaging to the file-sharing world. If every user did this practice torrents would not be able to continue. However, there are reasons why someone would want to stop seeding a file. Whether illegal or legal the same seeding and leeching etiquette applies. Yes, the program itself is legal.

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